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Zeta Aspect
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60.  Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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I don't entirely follow your argument. Exactly why must I be a skeptic? Just because I agree with the skeptic in that example does not mean I should be a skeptic. Or maybe it does. I'll find out when you explain.
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J. S. Mill
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| 61. Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ZetaAspect wrote: | | Exactly why must I be a skeptic? |
Because you have conceded that the skeptics argument is the most rational.
Unless you deny rationalism, which is fine, but then you have lots of other problems.
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Zeta Aspect
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| 62. Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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I concede that it is rational in the same way that I could concede that a person who never plays DDR never loses at DDR.
I don't fully support that sort of argument.
If you know what I mean.
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J. S. Mill
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| 63. Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ZetaAspect wrote: | | If you know what I mean. |
Actually, I don't. Everyone else holds a position which is not rationally justified, therefore the Pyrrhonian Skeptic holds the only certain position. He's right.
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Zeta Aspect
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| 64. Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Certain position = certain of uncertainty/unknowability.
Doesn't quite fly with me.
I suppose it is dogmatic skepticism that bothers me, as it seems...well...like a dead-end...
Isn't dogmatic skepticism even more "skeptical" than its Pyrrhonian counterpart? Why aren't you arguing dogmatic skepticism?
You use rationality as a determining factor, when the skeptic himself does not trust rationality. That is ironic.
Also, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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J. S. Mill
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| 65. Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| ZetaAspect wrote: | | Isn't dogmatic skepticism even more "skeptical" than its Pyrrhonian counterpart? Why aren't you arguing dogmatic skepticism? |
Pyrrhonian Skepticism is the strongest known rational position.
| ZetaAspect wrote: | | You use rationality as a determining factor, when the skeptic himself does not trust rationality. That is ironic. |
The Pyrrhonian Skeptic is searching for the most rational position; he trusts rationality he just does not trust logic. Rationality dictates his position.
| ZetaAspect wrote: | | Also, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. |
I think you are missing the point, the Pyrrhonian Skeptic is not arguing that all beliefs are false, he is arguing that no beliefs are rationally justified. Give me a belief of yours which is rationally justified; for which you can give a sound rational argument in it's support.
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Zeta Aspect
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| 66. Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Søren Kierkegaard wrote: | | Pyrrhonian Skepticism is the strongest known rational position. |
What makes dogmatic skepticism less rational?
| Søren Kierkegaard wrote: | | Give me a belief of yours which is rationally justified; for which you can give a sound rational argument in it's support. |
Other than "cogito ergo sum"?
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J. S. Mill
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| 67. Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ZetaAspect wrote: | | Other than "cogito ergo sum"? |
That is not beyond rational doubt; it's beyond all logical doubt but not beyond all rational doubt. Try to give me a rational justification for that (not a logical justification).
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Zeta Aspect
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| 68. Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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How does one doubt the existence of the self?
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J. S. Mill
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| 69. Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ZetaAspect wrote: | | How does one doubt the existence of the self? |
Easily, one doubts the universal applicability of logic. Of course logic dictates that you can not doubt the self, but just doubt that logical reasoning is valid.
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Zeta Aspect
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| 70. Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Could you give me a definition of rational doubt as opposed to logical doubt? I can't seem to find a satisfactory explanation of the two.
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J. S. Mill
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| 71. Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ZetaAspect wrote: | | Could you give me a definition of rational doubt as opposed to logical doubt? I can't seem to find a satisfactory explanation of the two. |
Maximal Logical doubt: doubting everything except the laws of logic and the principle of Rationalism
Maximal Rational doubt: doubting everything except the principle of Rationalism
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| 72. Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| Why didn't anyone kill hume. He's way more annoying than socrates |
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j1ng
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| 73. Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe if you play a certain line up of songs while using a certain combination of mods and difficulty levels you unlock the meaning of life and open up a wormhole to different dimensions.
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