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A Priori Synthetic Epistemology of 12-Block Stepcharts
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20. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, lemme try.

dO u fink IT is good thing to rate 12 lik they r rated now??
i mean if u wan to know how hard a song this is, u have to play it 1st.
also wtf is epistomicologicalistic or whtever
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21. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: A Priori Synthetic Epistemology of 12-Block Stepcharts Reply with quote

miloisacat wrote:
When I was thinking about Kant's categorical imperative yesterday a thought occurred to me; is it possible to decide a difficulty that cause our formed theory of stepchart creation to become really, really damn hard? Or rather, is a posteriori experience the only avenue by which we can, ex post facto, come to synthetic knowledge of teleological designs? Is a system of ethics that mandates this defensible? Discuss.

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22. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but you can't flangerfliger the arstaglishmond if 2x is priorital to the lemeringerlal. Plus, I don't think dirgermaker is of the viliconermoner.
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23. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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24. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: A Priori Synthetic Epistemology of 12-Block Stepcharts Reply with quote

hay guys itg i skool mirite
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25. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This guy lost me after the word "A". You know, in the title.
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26. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not the word "A" E1.gif
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27. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then he lost me before I clicked on the "In The Groove" link from the forum index.
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28. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HTP.ARRR wrote:
That's not the word "A" E1.gif


Adduced for verisimilitude.
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30. PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MJEmirzian wrote:
You're asking whether you can ever figure out the particular difficulties and design purposes of a 12 rank chart without having played it and experienced it yourself, then ask whether it's ethical to have to play through these charts in order to gain that knowledge.

The answer: you're a gimp. E15.gif

p.s. they're called half-notes
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32. PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPF5.Kiba wrote:
I haven't had enough time to consider yet, but do you consider it canonical that epistemic judgements, even woefully inadequate ones, contain an element of deontological ethics? I think I know your answer will be yes, and I can see that from Kant's work, but just let me hear it from you.


I would agree of course: it follows from the nature of a moral proposition that it is universally obligatory, so even in the absence of ability the categorical imperative would dictate that epistemic judgement is a moral attribute. I am still attempting to resolve this against the virtue of ability though. Do you think that these values are mutually exclusive, or do they complement each other, via Nietzsche's Will to Power perhaps?
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MadTaco wrote:
Milo & Otis is a kickass movie.


HELL YES
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34. PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

he lost me before i was born lolololol
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35. PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sadly can't respond so eloquently, but here I go.

BY judging one's perosnall difficulties with certain step patterns at certain speeds, as well as transitions from one step pattern to another, it would be possible for one to judge the difficulty of a step chart with enough knowledge of the song. By calculating the amount of energy epended by each step pattern, an algorithim could be formed to one's specific strengths and weaknesses with certain events in any given song at any given speed. Of course, this would require that said person have experience with said game, and a song containing each pattern of specific steps at an equal speed.

Such an would require a specific knowledge of how much energy is spent on any set of steps. It would also require knowledge of how much energy could be expended on the next step of steps.

So let;

E= Energy at beginning of song
E1= Energy after first step pattern
E2= Energy after second step pattern.
and so on...

With these variables and the constant

S= Step Pattern

Then we could calculate the percentage of energy lost after each step pattern, as well as the percentage of energy available for the next step pattern, as well as the average amount of effort given to the next pattern. In other words, does the person attempt to regain energy by giving little effort, or go all out with all effort. The most amount of effort one can give is the amount of energy they have left.

We would first have to calculate the amount of energy expended on a certain step pattern, and how much energy is left after said pattern by isolating the pattern in a series of different song speeds, as well as including it in the context of other steps.

So if;

E1, E2...= Percentage of energy spent/gained on S1, S2 (negative number would be energy gained)
N1, N2...= Percentage of energy remaining after S1, S2 (100 - Ex)
R1, R2= Percentage for S1, S2
K1, K2= Average percentage of effort given to the S1, S2.

so...

[(N0 - E1) * K1] / K1 = R1

Assuming the amount of effort and energy expended directly relates to the results.

So, if we assign numbers...

Let's say this individual expends 10% of his energy on S1, and has 100% of his energy, this being his first song. He also gives 90% effort.

[(100-10) * 90] / 100 = 81%

Of course this is strictly dependant on extensive sampling of the persons skills, strengths, weaknesses, and extreme amounts of data collection every time the person improves.

This would also not take into mind the difficulty of sight-reading, which could also be calculated, but would be exceedingly difficult as it would require songs of equal difficulty to the ones said player usually plays, that he/she had not previously played.

This system could work with enough effort, however in the time it would take to get enough information for any calculation to be correct, one could probably get so good at ITG and/or DDR that they would not need such a system to tell them how hard it will be for them.

I won't say it would work, or that it would work (and I'm not sure that the equation would work efficiently, so I am working on a new one), because the philosophical issues with this are extreme. Because the question of will power and the thought that every moment is a different moment, and thus nothing can be calculated still remains. The question really is can mathematics define anything, or could humans overcome what they ever have before, for no reason other then emotional and situational (is that a word?) influences.

Ok, I'm getting tires, probably not making any sense, and probably wrong no matter what I'm saying, so I'll let Kiba and HTP take care of this thread.

EDIT: I'm not a philophy person, so I'm coming from a mathematical position. And a lot of my post is probably reduant, and or doesn't belong. Sorry I'm tired, so please just ignore it.
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36. PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would agree of course: it follows from the nature of a moral proposition that it is universally obligatory, so even in the absence of ability the categorical imperative would dictate that epistemic judgement is a moral attribute. I am still attempting to resolve this against the virtue of ability though. Do you think that these values are mutually exclusive, or do they complement each other, via Nietzsche's Will to Power perhaps?

Your research and command is very impressive. I think if you adopt a doctrine of Categorial Imperative it is not possible to mediate regarding virtue thoery of ability. I'm taking the inspiration here from Kierkegaard, who tried similar mediation, albeit with dogmatic Christian morality rather then the refined and powerful CI system of late-Kant. Those of us operating under Will to Power or other Nietzschian/Existentialist systems are bound to deny this fundamental axiom and therefore your argument. Nevertheless, it is still a question as to whether given your premise and given a simpler base theory of ability, there is still an issue to probe. I think there is, I am still considering.
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You guys... Random Chat is leaking into the ITG channel... which calls for the quilted quicker-picker-upper.
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38. PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPF5.Kiba wrote:
Your research and command is very impressive. I think if you adopt a doctrine of Categorial Imperative it is not possible to mediate regarding virtue thoery of ability. I'm taking the inspiration here from Kierkegaard, who tried similar mediation, albeit with dogmatic Christian morality rather then the refined and powerful CI system of late-Kant. Those of us operating under Will to Power or other Nietzschian/Existentialist systems are bound to deny this fundamental axiom and therefore your argument. Nevertheless, it is still a question as to whether given your premise and given a simpler base theory of ability, there is still an issue to probe. I think there is, I am still considering.

You are clearly correct; forgive me for the erroneous reasoning. In theory I am inclined to value adherence to the ethical code over the presence of ability, but in practice I have yet to see a player whose ethics has not brought about a corresponding increase in ability. Of course ability in the absence of ethics is prevalent, which begs a difficult question: is ability that is not the product of reason (or any conscious reflection, possibly) a virtue? The answer is obvious if we accept the Categorical Imperative, but I think I can anticipate your Existentialist objection. But do you think that any of the classical objections to the Categorical Imperative are applicable given the specific epistemic nature of ITG? This is an extremely speculative line of reasoning of course but I would like to know your thoughts on the matter.

Braintrust: Your application of a posteriori empirical analysis with regard to Difficulty is unsurpassed, and indeed a less mathematically rigorous form of such reasoning may well underlie what is oft-labeled erroneously as a priori reasoning. I do hesitate to betray my ITG Rationalism so thoroughly, but your thesis enlightened me to the prospect that ITG propositional methodology may well be entirely empirical in nature. It certainly deserves further consideration. Can we inductively validate Rationalism in a manner that leaves no doubt as to its axiomatic nature?
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39. PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are CLEARLY forgetting the begotting of Jesus' 20 sons, Judas the most important. Scrutenize it all for a Sun's 1/320000 pass about the Earthilogical spehreical surface around Greenland (according to the equation of Raoul Phooku of 1729), and you will congrigate an epiphany in the frontal section of your Cranium Lobeous about the current posteriori empirical analysis to the twelve centrifical figures of even sides known as "Squares" as the simple minds call it (such pompous fools, I do delare!)

The post-mourdum of the Magnum Opus affair of 1433, the biography of Harry Isanass CLEARLY states that the the yearly tide changes (which is affect by the moon, through SIB equation by Jorge Thetty: 22(5*[8-9]/5x)^2; X Representing the Tempeture on Pluto's surface in two minutes) affects the gravity in which makes lifting your foot in an upward motion either more or less difficult. Yet, in the return of the foot coming back towards the center of gravity, makes the Earth more resistent to the resin materials withen the iron of your skeletal structure in your feet.

By this, it would, obviously, more or less, make these twelve centrifical figures of even sides more difficult, or easier, thus depending on the weight of the asians on the opposite side of the Earth, as their cartilage in their bones makes more gravitational force when on or near a machine of high voltage.

So to answer you predicimental question, I have no F'ing clue what you even said.

So go and...



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