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20. PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Continuing onto what .59 said, Roxor is making a bold business move by releasing not one, but two new ITG games in the span of a month, risking "testing the waters" syndrome, but attacking an extremely dry market head on. In my opinion, it's a matter of time before they succeed where DDR didn't: innovation, and variety.
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21. PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITG is great, although trying to freestlye to songs on HARD mode is much much more difficult than freestlying to HEAVY songs on DDR. For this fact, I still enjoy DDR for the fun aspect of dancing.....

So, for me, both games have something to offer and neither will surpass the other in popularity.

Having more challenge is good, but not losing the dance aspect is good as well.
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I DON'T like ITG one OUNCE, the songs stink, the arrows are to flat, and it is over all annoying
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Mass Paranoia wrote:
I DON'T like ITG one OUNCE, the songs stink, the arrows are to flat, and it is over all annoying


Actually the arrows are polygonal. DDR arrows are sprites. So DDR arrows are the truly flat ones.
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24. PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the people that can get out of the "OMG!!!! ITG IS A DDR RIPOFF!!111!!" mindset ITG is a great new addition in terms of songs and step patterns... its also good for people(like me) that are bored with the DDR songs
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25. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not believe ITG will surpass DDR because RedOctane does not have the marketing power Konami does. When people think of dancing games, they think DDR because that is the "archetype" (Look at the name of this site.) Konami has gotten their machines and home units into the public view, so when the rank-and-file dancers go play a game, it will probably be DDR.

Similar things happen in other industries:
I say "soda," you think "Coke."
I say "sandwich cookie," you think "Oreo."
I say "tissue," you think "Kleenex."

Beginning players or non-players probably have no idea ITG exists. I certainly didn't until I joined this site.
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26. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion, this is a really good way to make Konami finally realize that they have to make US DDR arcade machines... even though we still import I think ITG will be great competition for Konami. Also a fun alternitive from DDR. I think they will stay equal with each other.
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27. PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll be the eternal battle of the dance!

I still think people will play DDR first, then go to ITG.
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IF ITG comes out with more new mixes and DDR doesn't: yes.

If DDR and ITG come out with new mixes: no.

If Konami wins the pending lawsuit: no.

If Konami loses the pending lawsuit: maybe.

Even the great master yoda would not be able to see this one through...
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29. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't like ITG, and I don't want it to get more popular than DDR. However, if it does become more popular then there will obviously be less people playing DDR, meaning less competion and the arcade machines will be cheaper to play on.....so basically, as long as I always have a DDR machine within a few miles of me that is in good condition and people don't start heated arguments over which is better, i'm fine E1.gif
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30. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburbanassault wrote:
When people think of dancing games, they think DDR because that is the "archetype" (Look at the name of this site.)


Yeah, ITG Freak doesn't sound too good. I don't like many ITG songs, but to me, if it has arrows scrolling to the top of the screen, I'll try it at least once.
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I think that with everything, fanboys will be fanboys. When Arcade DDR dies (not saying it will be anytime soon, but some may make the case that in many places, it already is) they'll probably be really psyched that they're the best, but when they realize that they're only top players because everyone else quit, then they won't care too much to play and quit as well. With every new generation of DDR players that get jaded with the game, out of that group comes a crop of hardcore ITG players. As long as the game stays interesting (and the Roxor team is definitely doing their best to keep it that way), this phenomenon will keep continuing. Sorry, fanboys. E1.gif

I think we all know the status of the arcade versions, and a lot of people aren't so psyched about the home versions. Most of the people where I play barely touch DDR anymore (8otB has had ITG for what, over a year now?). I think unless Konami magically pulls an arcade version out of their ass, which is highly unlikely with the status of the arcade machines in Japan, then ITG will sooner or later be dubbed the successor.
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32. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburbanassault wrote:
I do not believe ITG will surpass DDR because RedOctane does not have the marketing power Konami does. When people think of dancing games, they think DDR because that is the "archetype" (Look at the name of this site.) Konami has gotten their machines and home units into the public view, so when the rank-and-file dancers go play a game, it will probably be DDR.

Similar things happen in other industries:
I say "soda," you think "Coke."
I say "sandwich cookie," you think "Oreo."
I say "tissue," you think "Kleenex."

Beginning players or non-players probably have no idea ITG exists. I certainly didn't until I joined this site.


I think you make a good point, but I have to disagree. Mainly because DDR's popularity here didn't really owe a lot to Konami pushing it here for the few years or so. See, up until 2001, the only form in which DDR existed officially in America was in the arcades machines US 1st Mix and DDR USA. Not to say those machines didn't do anything to help DDR grow in popularity, but there were far more import and bootleg machines around that Konami had no part in pushing here. These were basically free advertising for Konami. And then when DDR console game came to our shores, it was a pretty half-hearted, barely advertised rehash that didn't impress too many people. From 1998 to 2001, I'd be very surprised if Konami's American branch spent any significant money advertising DDR, like several hundred thousand dollars or $1 million plus. Of course, since 2002, Konami has put way more effort into marketing DDR here, and I think it's worked. I think between Ultramix 2 and Extreme US, the game was a million seller last year. However, it took them a LONG time to capitalize on any sort of momentum they had, especially compared to Roxor. I mean, just look at the amount of time it took between the two games showing up at arcades and then getting a home port:
DDR- 2 years (Appeared in 1999, didn't come out for PSOne until 2001)
ITG- Going by the ITG Locations Report forum, the first one appeared in November of last year, and the console version came out just last month. That's about 7 months if I'm using reliable info.


That being said, archetypes can change as well. I mean, 15, 20 years ago, if you said "computer", most people probably said "Apple" in response. Now Windows is what 90% of computers run on. Nintendo used to be the archetype for video games (Anyone else remember people saying "playing Nintendo" in reference to playing video games in general?), Doom used to be the archetype for First Person Shooters, I could go on, but this post is already too long. XD

In short, I think Roxor's doing everything they can to make ITG a success, even though ITG is a pretty new game. I don't how it'll turn out, but I hope Roxor does succeed, as competition is always good for us gamers.
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33. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A recent visit to a little arcade in New Jersey called "8 on the Break" (while on a business trip to the vicinity of the Newark airport) convinced me that the question "Will ITG take over?" is based on the false assumption that ITG hasn't already taken over. Some people just haven't realized it yet. Wow. Just walked into that place and take a glance in the direction of the ITG2 machine and the 20 crazed people surrounding it at all hours, and you'll know... ITG has picked up the torch that Konami abandoned and is going to run like hell with it.
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A recent visit to a little arcade in New Jersey called "8 on the Break" (while on a business trip to the vicinity of the Newark airport) convinced me that the question "Will ITG take over?" is based on the false assumption that ITG hasn't already taken over. Some people just haven't realized it yet. Wow. Just walked into that place and take a glance in the direction of the ITG2 machine and the 20 crazed people surrounding it at all hours, and you'll know... ITG has picked up the torch that Konami abandoned and is going to run like hell with it.


To say ITG took over becuase of one location where everyone played it doesnt mean it's true. The same happens every Friday night at the machine around here, only there's way more then 20 people there.
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A recent visit to a little arcade in New Jersey called "8 on the Break" (while on a business trip to the vicinity of the Newark airport) convinced me that the question "Will ITG take over?" is based on the false assumption that ITG hasn't already taken over. Some people just haven't realized it yet. Wow. Just walked into that place and take a glance in the direction of the ITG2 machine and the 20 crazed people surrounding it at all hours, and you'll know... ITG has picked up the torch that Konami abandoned and is going to run like hell with it.

ummmm yeah look at these poll results:
http://www.ddrfreak.com/Polldb/mysql/booth.php?action=results&poll_id=55
ummmm...yeah ddr is in the lead and ITG is a VERY distant second

and btw, wasn't ITGfreak a branch of DDRfreak at some point?
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PedanticOmbudsman wrote:
A recent visit to a little arcade in New Jersey called "8 on the Break" (while on a business trip to the vicinity of the Newark airport) convinced me that the question "Will ITG take over?" is based on the false assumption that ITG hasn't already taken over. Some people just haven't realized it yet. Wow. Just walked into that place and take a glance in the direction of the ITG2 machine and the 20 crazed people surrounding it at all hours, and you'll know... ITG has picked up the torch that Konami abandoned and is going to run like hell with it.

ummmm yeah look at these poll results:
http://www.ddrfreak.com/Polldb/mysql/booth.php?action=results&poll_id=55
ummmm...yeah ddr is in the lead and ITG is a VERY distant second

and btw, wasn't ITGfreak a branch of DDRfreak at some point?


One: It was a poll on DDRFreak, so of course the votes are going to be loaded onto ITG. Take a poll on ITGFreak and see what results you get.

Two: You also have to consider that ITG has been around for little over a year, and it definately is at least threatening DDR that has been around for many years.

Three: DDRFreak had an april fools joke about turning over to ITG. In the end, they actually did have a branch site...I think...but it wasn't ITGFreak. ITGFreak has been all in its own since the beginning.
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I DON'T like ITG one OUNCE, the songs stink, the arrows are to flat, and it is over all annoying


I'd ignore what this user says.

ITG will probably rise to near-equal greatness to give DDR competition but not enough to pass it.
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To say ITG took over becuase of one location where everyone played it doesnt mean it's true.


To call that place "one location" is a gross understatement... I'd call it Ground Zero of the revolution, current center of the dance-game universe (one of the centers, at least). At least, that's the impression I got from spending a few hours there. It was magical, like nothing I'd seen before.

And I didn't say that ITG was already more popular than DDR... I just said that it took over, although the majority of people just haven't realized it yet. What I meant was that based on what I saw on that one little 30-year-old arcade in New Jersey, I was forced to conclude that no force on heaven or earth would be powerful enough to even possibly change what's inevitably going to happen over the next few years. Even though the events are still unfolding, the outcome is so certain that it would be an exercise in futility to even question it.

DDR is coasting along on inertia. DDR has a lot of intertia and will continue to coast on it for years to come. But there's no longer a driving force behind it. The last arcade DDR was in 2002 and there will probably never be another (although actually the game's older than 2002 -- the graphics haven't changed since DDR Max in like 2001, and much of the game engine hasn't been updated since the previous century). People might play a 4-year-old game in 2006, and a 5-year-old game in 2007, but how many people will play an 8-year-old game with almost 10-year-old graphics in 2010? In The Groove, meanwhile, will probably continue to be updated, improved, and expanded as long as anyone's still interested in it... which will be a long time, because the genre has infinite potential.

Okay, so your arcade has a lot of people show up on Friday night. Good for them. What about on Monday morning? Tuesday at noon? Wednesday at 11PM? Is the DDR machine always in use, from the arcade's opening to until closing, with never a moment idle? That's what I saw of ITG2 last week.
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FujiFlame wrote:
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PedanticOmbudsman wrote:
A recent visit to a little arcade in New Jersey called "8 on the Break" (while on a business trip to the vicinity of the Newark airport) convinced me that the question "Will ITG take over?" is based on the false assumption that ITG hasn't already taken over. Some people just haven't realized it yet. Wow. Just walked into that place and take a glance in the direction of the ITG2 machine and the 20 crazed people surrounding it at all hours, and you'll know... ITG has picked up the torch that Konami abandoned and is going to run like hell with it.

ummmm yeah look at these poll results:
http://www.ddrfreak.com/Polldb/mysql/booth.php?action=results&poll_id=55
ummmm...yeah ddr is in the lead and ITG is a VERY distant second

and btw, wasn't ITGfreak a branch of DDRfreak at some point?


One: It was a poll on DDRFreak, so of course the votes are going to be loaded onto ITG. Take a poll on ITGFreak and see what results you get.

Two: You also have to consider that ITG has been around for little over a year, and it definately is at least threatening DDR that has been around for many years.

Three: DDRFreak had an april fools joke about turning over to ITG. In the end, they actually did have a branch site...I think...but it wasn't ITGFreak. ITGFreak has been all in its own since the beginning.


Well i guess that post has a moot point.

However, as of right now, ITGfreak has under 2000 members. DDRfreak has over 50000. While ITG is not as popular as DDR for now, it definitely has the potential to become more popular than ddr.
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