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0. PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Summer (speedy mix)??? Reply with quote

Ive never played this song on expert. But I think it's weird that it's a big ol juicy 13 and no one really talks about it. Is it a really easy 13 compared to pandy and vertex^2? I mean ive never played vertex^2 on expert either, but ive seen it. From looking at the stepchart, Summer looks like it has deathrun kinda like delirium's but with faster bpm at the end. If you can pass or at least know about this song on expert, tell me what you think about it E1.gif thanx
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1. PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now, I cannot pass it, but I have made it to the last run.......once....

I think I can clear this up for you.
13 is the hardest difficulty in ITG. "Flashing 10" is the hardest in DDR.

Summer < Vertex^2 or Pandemonium
LoM < PSMO or Max.

Summer's stepchart was awarded a 13 to better fleshout the 13 rating. A lot of the song could happily fit into being an 11 similar to July, but it has devilish jump streams at the end which no 11 makes you jump that fast for that long (185 x2 is 370 kthnx) and of course has the famous Summer stream ending at a blazing 740 Arrows per minute.

Summer has less steps than Pandemonium or Vertex^2 true, and it is probably (is) easier than both. HOWEVER, that run requires amazing footspeed and coordination. Summer is like Delirium on crack, the majority of the song shouldn't be the foot rating it is, but the end deserves the 13 or the 12 respectively. When you get to the end stream for the first time, you'll realize the speed difference instantly betweem it and Pandy's runs. Pandemoniums candle steps will begin to feel slow (if thats possible)
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2. PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyrgannus wrote:
Summer has less steps than Pandemonium or Vertex^2 true


No.

Summer has over a hundred more steps than Vertex^2.
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3. PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer is definitely easier than Pandy...not quite sure about vertex^2 though. The steps aren't really complicated or draining, but they are damn fast, and the speed is basically what makes this song so hard.
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4. PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vertex^2 > Summer = Pandemonium, in my opinion. That end run is hell.
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C'mon guys, don't any of you know anything???? It's like you all fail at high school math.


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6. PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my opinion:

I almost find Vertex^2 and Summer -Speedy Mix-, with their different variables that make them unique, nearly the exact same difficulty.

Pandy still takes "The hardest" ftw E15.gif


[EDIT] ...wait.. what about Bloodrush expert? drool.gif That song's pretty damn hard.... thoughts?
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7. PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just discovered a mathematical paradox. Indeed, mathematically speaking Vertex^2 = Summer^2 + Pandemonium^2 (as nicely shown in the chart two posts above)... but lets rewrite it using a simple trigonometric ratio and see what we come up with.

Cos 30 = Pandemonium / Vertex^2 (which we know = 13)

but how can this be possible? after all:

Cos (theta) = adjacent / hypotenuse (with the "adjacent" being pandy and the hypotenuse being Vertex^2)

NOT

Cos (theta) = adjacent / hypotenuse^2 , as shown in the
Cos 30 = Pandemonium / Vertex^2 equation. (13 =/= 13^2)

It's official: In The Groove has broken the laws of simple mathematics.

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8. PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paranoia_Brother wrote:
In my opinion:

I almost find Vertex^2 and Summer -Speedy Mix-, with their different variables that make them unique, nearly the exact same difficulty.

Pandy still takes "The hardest" ftw E15.gif


[EDIT] ...wait.. what about Bloodrush expert? drool.gif That song's pretty damn hard.... thoughts?


I am a case which stands in contest of every point you just made. I've passed Pandy and Summer, but can't survive bloodrush and haven't touched Vertex^2 on foot.

Asymptote wrote:
I just discovered a mathematical paradox.

Cos 30 = Pandemonium / Vertex^2


As long as '/' in this context refers to a function from the set of ITG 13 foot songs onto Reals, I see no such paradox.
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9. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vertex^2 is the hardest chart I have ever seen, what's the world record, in the low nineties?
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10. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tac-tics wrote:
As long as '/' in this context refers to a function from the set of ITG 13 foot songs onto Reals, I see no such paradox.


the / stands for division, nothing more. x divided by y is not the same as x / y^2, unless y = 1, but in this case y = 13.
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11. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asymptote wrote:
tac-tics wrote:
As long as '/' in this context refers to a function from the set of ITG 13 foot songs onto Reals, I see no such paradox.


the / stands for division, nothing more. x divided by y is not the same as x / y^2, unless y = 1, but in this case y = 13.


Oh, you're also throwing in a random a random ^2 there.

According to the diagram, cos(30) = Pandemonium / Vertex.

And since all of these are 13s, I'm obviously not going by flat foot rating. I'm going by actual difficulty. That is why the diagram shows that Pandemonium is opposite of the 60º angle. tan(60) = Pandy / Summer. Since tan(60) > 0, Summer * tan(60) = Pandy, which means Summer < Pandy.
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12. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and whoever made that diagram up there spelled "Vary" wrong

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13. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zarkonis wrote:
Oh and whoever made that diagram up there spelled "Vary" wrong

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In the original version, I mispelled Pandemonium. When I updated it, I almost spelled angle "angel".

So in conclusion, screw you spelling.
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14. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

summer is hard because the streams are so fast and so long. Even though they are simple and straight forward, they take speed and stamina. Whoever said the jump thing at the end made it a 13 is probably retarded seeing as that might be the easiest part of the song next to the beginning.

it's a 13 because it's the same as doing 8thnote streams at 370bpm. and because the streams are long
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SPF5.Kiba wrote:
Vertex^2 is the hardest chart I have ever seen, what's the world record, in the low nineties?


Yeah, like 94 or so.
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16. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pags wrote:


it's a 13 because it's the same as doing 8thnote streams at 370bpm. and because the streams are long


So it's just pandy's middle run but with an extra 40bpm? Man, I hope I can move that fast when itg2 comes out for ps2 and i can ACTUALLY PLAY THE FRIGGIN GAME!!!!!...gosh I cant wait...
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17. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then we all look at the fact that Bloodrush was originally supposed to be a 13.

Note the word orignally.
Say it with me...originally

...Man you kid's catch on quick.

And just because Vertex^2 High Score is a 94.xx dosen't mean it's a hard chart. It's a hard chart to PA.

Thats like saying so and so's highest score on Bag is an AA, it's a hard chart.

It's just a pain to FA. Not making it hard in a sense.
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18. PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That post made no sense.
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SPF5.Kiba wrote:
That post made no sense.
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