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Marq(uistadorous) Trick Member
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0. Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: Summer (speedy mix)??? |
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Ive never played this song on expert. But I think it's weird that it's a big ol juicy 13 and no one really talks about it. Is it a really easy 13 compared to pandy and vertex^2? I mean ive never played vertex^2 on expert either, but ive seen it. From looking at the stepchart, Summer looks like it has deathrun kinda like delirium's but with faster bpm at the end. If you can pass or at least know about this song on expert, tell me what you think about it thanx |
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Tyrgannus Trick Member
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1. Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Now, I cannot pass it, but I have made it to the last run.......once....
I think I can clear this up for you.
13 is the hardest difficulty in ITG. "Flashing 10" is the hardest in DDR.
Summer < Vertex^2 or Pandemonium
LoM < PSMO or Max.
Summer's stepchart was awarded a 13 to better fleshout the 13 rating. A lot of the song could happily fit into being an 11 similar to July, but it has devilish jump streams at the end which no 11 makes you jump that fast for that long (185 x2 is 370 kthnx) and of course has the famous Summer stream ending at a blazing 740 Arrows per minute.
Summer has less steps than Pandemonium or Vertex^2 true, and it is probably (is) easier than both. HOWEVER, that run requires amazing footspeed and coordination. Summer is like Delirium on crack, the majority of the song shouldn't be the foot rating it is, but the end deserves the 13 or the 12 respectively. When you get to the end stream for the first time, you'll realize the speed difference instantly betweem it and Pandy's runs. Pandemoniums candle steps will begin to feel slow (if thats possible) _________________
AA Bob wrote: | Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9. |
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Boochypa Trick Member
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2. Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Tyrgannus wrote: | Summer has less steps than Pandemonium or Vertex^2 true |
No.
Summer has over a hundred more steps than Vertex^2. _________________
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milinko959 Trick Member
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3. Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Summer is definitely easier than Pandy...not quite sure about vertex^2 though. The steps aren't really complicated or draining, but they are damn fast, and the speed is basically what makes this song so hard. |
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figgy20000 Trick Member
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4. Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Vertex^2 > Summer = Pandemonium, in my opinion. That end run is hell. |
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tac-tics Trick Member
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5. Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon guys, don't any of you know anything???? It's like you all fail at high school math.
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Paranoia_Brother Trick Member
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Asymptote Trick Member
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7. Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I just discovered a mathematical paradox. Indeed, mathematically speaking Vertex^2 = Summer^2 + Pandemonium^2 (as nicely shown in the chart two posts above)... but lets rewrite it using a simple trigonometric ratio and see what we come up with.
Cos 30 = Pandemonium / Vertex^2 (which we know = 13)
but how can this be possible? after all:
Cos (theta) = adjacent / hypotenuse (with the "adjacent" being pandy and the hypotenuse being Vertex^2)
NOT
Cos (theta) = adjacent / hypotenuse^2 , as shown in the
Cos 30 = Pandemonium / Vertex^2 equation. (13 =/= 13^2)
It's official: In The Groove has broken the laws of simple mathematics.
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tac-tics Trick Member
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8. Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Paranoia_Brother wrote: | In my opinion:
I almost find Vertex^2 and Summer -Speedy Mix-, with their different variables that make them unique, nearly the exact same difficulty.
Pandy still takes "The hardest" ftw
[EDIT] ...wait.. what about Bloodrush expert? That song's pretty damn hard.... thoughts? |
I am a case which stands in contest of every point you just made. I've passed Pandy and Summer, but can't survive bloodrush and haven't touched Vertex^2 on foot.
Asymptote wrote: | I just discovered a mathematical paradox.
Cos 30 = Pandemonium / Vertex^2 |
As long as '/' in this context refers to a function from the set of ITG 13 foot songs onto Reals, I see no such paradox.
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J. S. Mill Maniac Member
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9. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Vertex^2 is the hardest chart I have ever seen, what's the world record, in the low nineties? _________________
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Asymptote Trick Member
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10. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: |
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tac-tics wrote: | As long as '/' in this context refers to a function from the set of ITG 13 foot songs onto Reals, I see no such paradox. |
the / stands for division, nothing more. x divided by y is not the same as x / y^2, unless y = 1, but in this case y = 13. _________________
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tac-tics Trick Member
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11. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Asymptote wrote: | tac-tics wrote: | As long as '/' in this context refers to a function from the set of ITG 13 foot songs onto Reals, I see no such paradox. |
the / stands for division, nothing more. x divided by y is not the same as x / y^2, unless y = 1, but in this case y = 13. |
Oh, you're also throwing in a random a random ^2 there.
According to the diagram, cos(30) = Pandemonium / Vertex.
And since all of these are 13s, I'm obviously not going by flat foot rating. I'm going by actual difficulty. That is why the diagram shows that Pandemonium is opposite of the 60ú angle. tan(60) = Pandy / Summer. Since tan(60) > 0, Summer * tan(60) = Pandy, which means Summer < Pandy.
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Zarkonis Trick Member
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12. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Oh and whoever made that diagram up there spelled "Vary" wrong
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tac-tics Trick Member
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13. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Zarkonis wrote: | Oh and whoever made that diagram up there spelled "Vary" wrong
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<.< |
In the original version, I mispelled Pandemonium. When I updated it, I almost spelled angle "angel".
So in conclusion, screw you spelling.
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pags Trick Member
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14. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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summer is hard because the streams are so fast and so long. Even though they are simple and straight forward, they take speed and stamina. Whoever said the jump thing at the end made it a 13 is probably retarded seeing as that might be the easiest part of the song next to the beginning.
it's a 13 because it's the same as doing 8thnote streams at 370bpm. and because the streams are long _________________
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JasonTheGreater Trick Member
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15. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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SPF5.Kiba wrote: | Vertex^2 is the hardest chart I have ever seen, what's the world record, in the low nineties? |
Yeah, like 94 or so. _________________
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Marq(uistadorous) Trick Member
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16. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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pags wrote: |
it's a 13 because it's the same as doing 8thnote streams at 370bpm. and because the streams are long |
So it's just pandy's middle run but with an extra 40bpm? Man, I hope I can move that fast when itg2 comes out for ps2 and i can ACTUALLY PLAY THE FRIGGIN GAME!!!!!...gosh I cant wait... _________________
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CHUCK BASS Trick Member
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17. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Then we all look at the fact that Bloodrush was originally supposed to be a 13.
Note the word orignally.
Say it with me...originally
...Man you kid's catch on quick.
And just because Vertex^2 High Score is a 94.xx dosen't mean it's a hard chart. It's a hard chart to PA.
Thats like saying so and so's highest score on Bag is an AA, it's a hard chart.
It's just a pain to FA. Not making it hard in a sense. |
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J. S. Mill Maniac Member
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18. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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That post made no sense. _________________
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19. Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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SPF5.Kiba wrote: | That post made no sense. |
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