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0. PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Please explain triplets Reply with quote

I know it is one note divided into three, but what im confused about is how different notes=different triplets. Like quarter beats=12th triplets and such. I dont really understand this. Could someone please explain?
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1. PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok DDR talk here:

in frozen ray you know the part where you can spin around, those arent triplets, but they are like it kinda...just slow

then in Legend of Max, after the freeze those are true triplets see how they are like dadada and frozen ray is like da da da

then in anubis(expert)are the fast triplet
s towards the end

iono how to explain it really, but that is pretty simple to understand

just play the songs on stepmania on auto play and tick assist and you will see...k thnx
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2. PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3. PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hurleyguyy wrote:
ok DDR talk here:

in frozen ray you know the part where you can spin around, those arent triplets, but they are like it kinda...just slow

then in Legend of Max, after the freeze those are true triplets see how they are like dadada and frozen ray is like da da da

then in anubis(expert)are the fast triplet
s towards the end

All of this is incorrect. Frozen Ray has no triplets, the slow part of LoM has dotted sixteenth notes, and the only triplets in Anubis are in the middle (the end has 32nd notes)

In my explanation, I'll first use the correct musical terminology, and then equate it to DDR/ITG terminology.

The most common type of triplet occurs when a quarter note is split evenly into three. Each of these subdivisions is an eighth note triplet. Three eighth note triplets make a quarter note.

Next: sixteenth note triplets. Three of these make up an eighth note. Six of them make up a quarter note. Two of them make up an eighth note triplet (meaning that sixteenth note triplets are twice as fast as eighth note triplets).

Any note can be made into triplets. The note value of the triplets will be one more than the value of the note being divided. This means that...
Three quarter note triplets = half note
Three eighth note triplets = quarter note
Three sixteenth note triplets = eighth note
Three 32nd note triplets = sixteenth note
...and so on.

In DDR and ITG, these notes are referred to differently:
Eighth note triplet = 12th note
Sixteenth note triplet = 24th note
32nd note triplet = 48th note
etc.
These terms are not arbitrarily assigned; like any other note value (4th, 8th, etc.), the number indicates how many of those notes fit into a single bar in 4/4 time.

In common musical practice, these terms are not used. This is rather unfortunate, since there is some ambiguity: "nth note triplet" can be used to refer either to a single note of a group of three or to the group itself.
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4. PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never got triplets either, even though I've had it explained a few times. Although, I've never really noticed any problems with any of the songs that people say have triplets.
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5. PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

videoCWK wrote:
Although, I've never really noticed any problems with any of the songs that people say have triplets.

I assume you're talking about DDR, in which all triplets are a little bit off. If you just care about passing songs with an A, then yeah, you probably won't notice.
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6. PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply three notes in the place of two but, taking up the same amount of time as the two notes would have.
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7. PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A triplet is a note that takes up two thirds of an eigth note (so three triplets equal the value of one quarter notes).

A sextuplet is a note taking up two thirds the duration of a sixteenth note, so it has half the value as a triplet (six sextuplets in a quarter note).
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8. PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try to explain this as clearly as I can, so bear with me... I haven't done this since I was tutoring some symphonic band students years ago.

First, tap out a regular quarter note beat. Just think "1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4..." as you do it. These are quarter notes, a.k.a. the red steps.

Now, while still counting off the quarter notes in your head, double the amount of taps. So, now you're tapping eight times in every measure, and at twice the speed you're counting. These are eighth notes, represented in blue.

So now, if you tap four times for every number you count off, these are sixteenth notes, represented by green arrows on ITG.

And finally, if you tap three beats for every number you count off, those are triplets, which is what you're asking about.

And the difference between the thriplets and, say, the three arrow sets on Frozen Ray is that there is only space enough for the three beats if you're counting triplets. In Frozen Ray, you could add in one more step to make it an even 2 beats of eighth notes.

Of course, this is still kinda hard to explain in words, so if you want, I could give an audio demonstration. It'll be clearer; it'd just sound somewhat silly.
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9. PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good place to figure out what triplets are is the last slowdown of VerTex expert. All those purple notes after the freeze part of the slowdown are triplets pretty much.
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10. PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically just count how many times you can fit the note into a bar. Four quarter notes (red arrows) can fit in a bar, eight eighth notes (blue arrows) can fit in a bar.

Twelve twelfth notes can fit in one bar. For example, the Jacks in Zodiac.
Tenwty-four twenty-fourth notes can fit into one bar. For example, the run in Determinator.

I can't really think of a song with forty-eighth notes.
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11. PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SillyB wrote:

I can't really think of a song with forty-eighth notes.


The gallops in Sweet World are 48ths, but that probably won't be terribly useful for someone trying to figure out what triplets are.

Anyway, it should be fairly easy to figure out what triplets are simply by listening to a song that contains them. The trills in Hardcore of the North, the last slowdown in Vertex, and the middle of July are all possibilities.
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12. PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TAP TAP TAP

Paranoia KCET has em
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13. PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dakota wrote:
TAP TAP TAP

Paranoia KCET has em


http://www.ddrfreak.com/stepcharts/stepchart.php?song=parakcet&mode=Single&difficulty=Maniac&code=Normal&Submit=Submit

Nope.

Sets of 3 consecutive 8th notes are not triplets.
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14. PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, I made a typo.

I accidently meant to type "the ending of Max 300."
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15. PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...which also doesn't have triplets - the purple note falls exactly on a 16th, and the middle tap falls exactly halfway between the other two. Consecutive taps are 5/32 of a measure apart, making them slightly faster than triplets (equivalent to 240 BPM 8th note taps, as opposed to 225 BPM 8ths).

Several songs in DDR, such as Burning Heat, have triplets, but if you want true, perfectly-synched triplets, you'll have to look to ITG.
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16. PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. Didn't think of that. Well, if we want to get REALLY technical, we can relate it to music. Music triplets are defined as things that sound like saying "Elephant." What didder song has that...

Ordinary world? Intro to Sweet Sweet <3 Magic?
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17. PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dakota wrote:
if we want to get REALLY technical

Dakota wrote:
things that sound like saying "Elephant."

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Anyway, the steps at the beginning of Sweet Sweet <3 Magic are not triplets. The pattern here is quarter, 16th, 8th, with consecutive notes each a distance of three 16ths apart. This pattern appears in many, many DDR songs. If you listen to the steps in El Ritmo Tropical (which contains almost exclusively this pattern), you can clearly tell that the beat (or set of 2 beats) is not divided evenly into three equal parts.

You are correct about Ordinary World. Not taking into account Konami's retarded 64th-approximations, those are genuine triplets, dividing the sets of 2 beats into 3 equal parts.

If you want to relate triplets to musical notation, read AA Bob's post. Unfortunately, the naming of triplets in music makes no sense and will probably be more confusing than helpful.
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18. PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We Know What To Do

No seriously, this answer is helpful

It is the Webster Definition of triplets.

Well, that and jazz, but most people hear blindly hate jazz for no good reason (jazz is awesome)
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