PSMO VS. Pandemonium

BraveLittleToaster · Trick Member Joined: 19 Nov 2004

Pandamonium is in every way harder than PSMO. I dont know why someone would even remotely think PSMO is harder than Pandamonium.

Even some of the 11's are harder than PSMO.

Paranoia_Brother · Trick Member Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Location: Clarkston, MI

ihcw.stefank687 · Trick Member Joined: 16 Jun 2005

charlene is 138 bpm...but its 16th note runs... so it equates to 276 in 8th note runs... only 14 bpm slower then PSMO so i dont know what you are talking about saying its that much slower

Paranoia_Brother · Trick Member Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Location: Clarkston, MI

ihcw.stefank687 · Trick Member Joined: 16 Jun 2005

i said 138 not 134.... and psmo is equivalent to mythology in technical difficulty... and most of the 11's in stamina difficuty... its a joke compared to most of the 12s technical and stamina difficulty.... delerium for example is 163 bpm giving you 326.... thats 8th notes at 326.... and that last run is 23 seconds long... so basically you are stepping much faster for much longer periods of time...

ihcw.stefank687 · Trick Member Joined: 16 Jun 2005

im just comparing the runs in the songs BTW... considering PSMO is a joke if the run wasn't included.... and i can comfortable play PSMO no bar and most of the ITG 12's no bar... pandy is a freaking beast for no bar though...

L. · Trick Member Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Location: Chicago

In my opinion, Pandemonium is those bullshit steps they give you on the hardest songs on FFRR1.
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BraveLittleToaster · Trick Member Joined: 19 Nov 2004

ihcw.stefank687 · Trick Member Joined: 16 Jun 2005

Pandemonium isn't even that ridiculous.... the steps are hard and its draining.... its possible to do without BSing it though... it cant be that hard if i passed it the first time i played it

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mydixiewrecked · Trick Member Joined: 29 Mar 2005

L. · Trick Member Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Location: Chicago

Synaesthesia · Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject:

The only way you can effectively compare them is by what they are presently, and not try to equate one to the other by addition/removal of time/mines/hands/anything else. You *could* add those 30 seconds into songs--30 seconds of not hitting arrows. Of course, they would be partitioned into small breaks in the song, wherein arrows are not being hit. If you did such a thing, I imagine the difficulties would remain the same as they were.

Anytime you change the song somehow, you change an aspect of its difficulty (more evident in ITG, with greater propensity of mods). Play VerTex Expert with mines (12); now play it with no mines (probably more like an 11). With mines removed, the difficulty ceases to be the same, because the stepchart ceases to be identical with the chart used to determine difficulty. Similarly, adding Skippy to an easier song causes the chart to become harder, but it's not the same chart because it's not equivalent with the original chart. If you added comparable steps with time to the PSMO chart, the new chart would become harder, but would cease to be identified as PSMO, because the new chart is not confluent with the old chart. The new chart would have to be identified as such, maybe "PSMO: long ver.," but could not be identified with the original flashing 10 chart.

All of that is why difficulty must be rated for its present state, and not for its possible state. ITG certainly factors the extra length into its algorithm for determining song difficulty. That is why one is able to compare an ITG 10 to a DDR 10. The possible discrepancy mostly lies with the end user. Some people don't mind another 30 seconds, and so a possibly less intense but longer song isn't as difficult (to them) as a more intense, shorter song. If someone is automatically good at mines and hands, and they don't put forth much more noticeable effort, then they might be inclined to say the difficulty ratings are skewed. Such an idea returns to the old debate of which 10-footer is hardest; no one can say for sure, because different 10s capitalize on different things (chaos, stream, air, etc.), and not everyone is as good at one aspect as someone else is. ITG capitalizes on its longer song length for determining difficulty, and whether or not that's fair to DDR is irrelevant. The point was to make ITG's rating tree identical with DDR's, else RoXoR would've just picked some off-the-wall numbers, or something else entirely. Obviously, no rating system is perfect, and both games will have some misrated songs, but the rating systems are mostly confluent with each other.
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ParanoiaFantasy · Trick Member Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Location: Writing tCoR

deM' · Trick Member Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Location: Southington CT

Straight up, coming from someone who can A PSMO and Barely 70% pandy, pandy is incredibly harder there is no comparison, and 10 footers in ddr relate to hard 9s in ITG, not 10s, play some 10s in ITG and you will see.

Kyrandian · Trick Member Joined: 24 Mar 2002 Location: Portland, OR

mtwieg · Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject:

I can pass every 11 except pandy hard and Xuxa, and I still have never passed psmo. maybe because I haven't played ddr in the arcade in a while, though...

figgy20000 · Trick Member Joined: 16 Feb 2004

I find PSMO SIGNIFICANTLY harder than any other song in ITG or DDR EXCEPT Pandemonium.

And Pandemonium I ONLY find hard because it's so stupidly friggin' long, I die because of stamina, the stepchart it's self and the steps are relatively easy if you don't factor in that there is so much of it.

imo PSMO deserves a 13 on ITG, or at worst a 12. I hardly break sweat on Delerium, but PSMO kills me.

I find Pandy slightly harder than PSMO, but not by much.

Setekhx · Trick Member Joined: 27 May 2005

PSMO is a very difficult step chart. Say what you will but its extremly clippy and the tempo changes are just nerve racking. Yes, pandemonium is harder, its really undespuitable that it is, but PSMO is a very ITG 10+ worthy song, dont know if you can consider challenge a 4th difficulty mode higher either, seeing as in some cases the challenge steps are easier than the heavy ones.
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